Sunday, November 26, 2006

Johnny Rumble:
Converstations...

Had a discussion with my English chap about how to determine what bands consitiute as "emo" or not. Here's the results...

Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
it might be good to establish what exactly counts as emo these days
John/KWP says:
that's a long and slippery road....
John/KWP says:
cause there are so many examples that are, but arn't by the same token...
John/KWP says:
we could say Fall Out Girls are, but then there's the Dance song that has no emo tones....
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
the lyrical content is emo
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
that's for damn sure
John/KWP says:
not from what i've heard....
John/KWP says:
hang on...i'll look.
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
I'd say it does
John/KWP says:
RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!!
John/KWP says:
okay...it does....
John/KWP says:
i wasn't hearing the words though...
John/KWP says:
okay....maybe a better one would be Jimmy Eat World?
John/KWP says:
early vs. now maybe?
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
well Jimmy Eat World were called emo back in the days of "The Middle" so I'd call them emo cos that's what was labelled to them back then
John/KWP says:
I don't remeber The Middle being called emo...
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
maybe it was just over here
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
it was where I first came across the term,that and dashboard confessional
John/KWP says:
perhaps we have your kind to blame for the whole scene....
John/KWP says:
your kind=British....
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
possibly,UK music journalism is just shoddy,and then it spreads everywhere else
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
NME being particularly to blame
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
grrr
John/KWP says:
The Middle is defantly not emo....
John/KWP says:
If it is emo then TRM's Best Day Till Tomorrow is emo...
John/KWP says:
http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/The-Middle-lyrics-Jimmy-Eat-World/FDA58ED99C53970748256BA300203ECC
John/KWP says:
there the lyrics...
John/KWP says:
perhaps what we really need to figure first is by what standards how we define emo...
John/KWP says:
is the lyrics, the music, the stage antics, or the members apperance?
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
i think appearance plays a large part,hte antics onstage less so,cos I've seen some emo bands act just like a proper punk band,the music I think should not be ascertained (cos music itself is blameless) and the lyrics are also important
John/KWP says:
I vote purely by lyrics...cause appeance is a fashion sence, and that changes routinely, Stage Antics don't matter cause it's all about the hat of the moment, and the music not at all....Screamo being an exapmle...
John/KWP says:
example*
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
well fallout girl's bassist partakes in stage antics that are reminiscent of both blink AND the offspring
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
dance dance minus lryics would be a badass punk song
John/KWP says:
perhaps...
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
and the way the band dresses certainly shows them up as an emo band
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
in my eyes
John/KWP says:
granted, but that's the problem..."in your eyes"
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
I know
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
what do you think?
John/KWP says:
that relies on induvidual perseption....
John/KWP says:
i vote on plain lyrics....
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
ok,explain
John/KWP says:
while everyband can be accused of creating "emo-esque" lyrics at some point, a trend does emerge if a catalogue is taken as a whole....
John/KWP says:
if there is a consistent trend is creating emo lyrics then the band is emo....however there are varying degrees of emo.....
John/KWP says:
blink-182 would never be grouped with Fall Out Boy in terms of Emo-ness....
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
but their last album....
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
that wasn't proper punk
John/KWP says:
regardless....they never were punk to begin with...they were pop/punk.
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
yeah that's what I meant
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
and look at angels and airwves
John/KWP says:
and i'm looking at the whole catalouge to begin with....
John/KWP says:
and that's not blink...
John/KWP says:
that's Tom....
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
the wrong one
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
you heard +44?
John/KWP says:
I have a few songs....
John/KWP says:
and yes...that is emo...
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
really?
John/KWP says:
but it follows the blink trend....
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
I thought it was more pop-punk but then again I've not heard it yet
John/KWP says:
now you have....
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
no mate,I don't want it if it's emo
John/KWP says:
it's not totally emo, but it does have it's tones....the music and production are great though....
John/KWP says:
besides...you can just delete it if you don't like it...
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
I'll give it a listen
John/KWP says:
I'm a punk stalwart, but i find it to be quite good...
John/KWP says:
anyway....
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
fair enough
John/KWP says:
When all the music created as a group is taken as a whole, a label can be placed on the group it self....
John/KWP says:
think about this....
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
it's easier for people to lump bands in with others
John/KWP says:
if the only Green Day album you had ever heard was 1039 Smooth, you would prolay say that it is emo....
John/KWP says:
it being Green Day.

Transfer of "Plus 44 - When Your Heart Stops Beating.mp3" is complete.

Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
yeah I probably would,lo-fi emo though
John/KWP says:
but because you have heard the other albums and heard the other sounds, they get labeled as a pop/punk band, heavy on the punk....
John/KWP says:
Let's say Metallica created an Emo album....
John/KWP says:
just one, and then went back to thier shittastic metal.....
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
heard of load?
John/KWP says:
would the bands label still not be metal?
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
on metallica boards there's been arguments over whether the load/reload albums are emo cos they focus a lot of James' feelings rather than anger
John/KWP says:
okay then....theres the example....
John/KWP says:
but Metallica is still known as a metal band right?
John/KWP says:
you see what i'm getting at?
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
yeah I see what you mean
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
not so much metal any more,but they're trying to be metal again
John/KWP says:
but you understand....
John/KWP says:
thus, when we go about defining emo, i feel that the catalogue of lyrics are the way to do it...
John/KWP says:
I mean, you said it yourself...GD'
John/KWP says:
s American Idiot feels more emo than normal.
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
yeah
John/KWP says:
but you still think that GD is a pop/punk band correct?
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
more or less
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
if they're next album is like american idiot it might be time to class them as emo
John/KWP says:
your spliting hairs, where i'm trying to be general, but okay....i see your point.
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
at least until they change direction
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
yeah I'm bad for nitpicking
John/KWP says:
really? i hadn't noticed.....lol
John/KWP says:
so just going by what we have come to a semi-lucid conclution.....who consituties as an emo band?
John/KWP says:
Fall Out Boy defnatly....
John/KWP says:
Coheed and Cambria...
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
aiden
John/KWP says:
My Chemical Romance.
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
dashboard confessional
John/KWP says:
definatly.
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
err,AFI?
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
or would you call them goth punk?
John/KWP says:
extremely lo-fi.
John/KWP says:
recent AFI....lo-fi emo...
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
miss murder reminds me of marilyn manson actually
John/KWP says:
but when all albums put together.....i would say kind of a horror punk in the likes of Misfits...
John/KWP says:
Sing the Sorrow had a differnt lyrisist.
John/KWP says:
Or maybe later TSOL.
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
but the imprint of the offspring on them I'd say,especially when they're early stuff was released on dexter holland's label
John/KWP says:
yeah...
John/KWP says:
which is why i say Horror Punk as a whole.
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
ok
John/KWP says:
Horror takes into account sing the sorrow style, and punk the early stuff....
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
fair enough
John/KWP says:
Jimmy Eat World?
John/KWP says:
lo-fi, i feel.
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
hmm
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
when you say lo-fi,do you mean grittier?
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
bit more harsh
John/KWP says:
i mean "not as much emo as others" Emo lite if you will...
Fo Shizzle, Iainizzle says:
ok

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John/KWP

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